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Should have said frame, not gun. My current rabbit hole has the frame, upper and barrel a mix. Even if the barrel and receiver started together the barrel has nothing to do with the frame suffix.
Please don’t buy things that you need to explain
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The frame is propper 1941-1942 with square dot P.08 (unless you feel embellishments). There is a finish issue that extends on the ear of the rear toggle to the frame . So I do feel like they have been together for some time . I will comment that I put the gun in question next to my commercial banner and they looked pretty sharp together 😆
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Appreciate that
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Somehow it’s my favorite gun 😆
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Rig it out !
Thank you to @Mobandyjp82 for setting me up with this sweet holster , eagle K tool ,and extra commercial mag ! Thank you to @G.T. for setting me up with amazing E/135 grips ! Thanks to everyone that contributed to the thread !
Long live 8254 Y 😆
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Thank you to @Mobandyjp82 for setting me up with this sweet holster , eagle K tool ,and extra commercial mag ! Thank you to @G.T. for setting me up with amazing E/135 grips ! Thanks to everyone that contributed to the thread !
Long live 8254 Y 😆
The holster and grips are screamers. These light colored walnut grips with little to no visible grain color ( probably not heart wood but that’s fine probably tougher but not quite as hard) is kind of iconic on wood gripped byf 42s particularly…..but scarce to see in this condition.
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Pale Wydow , it’s absolutely a new trend!
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Excellent 1918 DWM Luger
3/15/23 - This is an excellent example of a DWM Luger issued to the Imperial German military in 1918. The gun is all matching and has the proper Imperial proofs. It has retained about 96% of its original finish. There are areas of very minor wear on the side plate, side rails, around the muzzle...
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Jason S L - You can thank me too! Mobandyjp82 bought that holster from me, which came from my late father's collection. Gave him a pretty sweet deal....
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thank you Steve! Your holster and all of your fathers things I have are loved and cherished. Justin is one of my closest friends ,so it really was keeping it in the family. I will take good care of your dad‘s things
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Serial overstamps happened periodically when the factory worker picked up the wrong die...
This is from an otherwise correct Mauser Luger from earlier production:
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The worker picked up the second digit first, and then the correct first was overstamped. Remember, during contract production they were not thinking a bit about collectors 75 years later, they just wanted contract acceptance and the product to ship.
This is from an otherwise correct Mauser Luger from earlier production:
The worker picked up the second digit first, and then the correct first was overstamped. Remember, during contract production they were not thinking a bit about collectors 75 years later, they just wanted contract acceptance and the product to ship.
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I’m actually starting to feel more comfortable with the stampings on 8254 Y . Thanks for your contributions to my collecting, as always
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Joop helped me understand many things about Mauser and their production processes. I met him in Oberndorf and will always treasure his friendship.
He looked over the Mauser Luger I shared above, and confirmed that his opinion was it was a factory numbering error and overstamp. A number of other characteristics of the pistol confirmed it. It's always important to evaluate such things in hand, and look at the pistol as a whole.
I was also initially concerned about it when I acquired it, but he helped me resolve the issues.
The same thing proceeded with evaluation of my Mauser logo toggle pistol, 715g.
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Note that this pistol is pristine, appearing as it would new from the factory. It has signs of factory grade bluing in places where you would not expect it, and so may have been finished to make all parts from different batches appear more uniform for commercial sales.
All below is speculation without any documentation.
I expect that Mauser accommodated all customers as best as possible, with the government contract their major customer during the war years. Commercial sales would not require the use of toggles with concealment codes on them, so you'd expect to see the Mauser Banner barrel, and batch production of the other parts would probably not be interrupted for special runs of parts not inspected for the military contracts.
As it became necessary to fulfil small commercial contracts, batches of finished parts would be pulled from existing stocks to complete the required number of pistols. We have parts assembly process diagrams so those processes could probably be researched. Final finishing and assembly sequences could be determined.
If parts were scarce, and that could be especially true for major parts like the receiver or frame, you would expect them to be sourced from anything acceptable still available in the factory. That could include older leftover stock and might account for the use of earlier year receivers on some of the commercial contracts like the Swedish contracts. Nothing implies that these were rejected parts.
Without documentation, we'll have nothing more than evaluation from people like Joop, members of this forum and our own collector opinions.
He looked over the Mauser Luger I shared above, and confirmed that his opinion was it was a factory numbering error and overstamp. A number of other characteristics of the pistol confirmed it. It's always important to evaluate such things in hand, and look at the pistol as a whole.
I was also initially concerned about it when I acquired it, but he helped me resolve the issues.
The same thing proceeded with evaluation of my Mauser logo toggle pistol, 715g.
Military Proofed Banner Mauser
Hi, I recently acquired this military proofed E/135 9mm Mauser luger, with all matching numbers and a military proofed FXO magazine without any serial number. It has a forward toggle that is marked with a Mauser Banner. From the inspection/sub-contractor mark the toggle was probably...
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Alternative Explanation for a Military 42 Dated Banner...
ALTERNATIVE EXPLANATION FOR A MILITARY 42 DATED BANNER LUGER IN THE “g” SUFFIX BLOCK. Joop posted: “Now about your 42 banner serial number xxxxg. It is a Luger pistol that was inspected and accepted by the German Army inspector 135 (code for Major Rosenhagen). The 42 date on the chamber, and the...
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Note that this pistol is pristine, appearing as it would new from the factory. It has signs of factory grade bluing in places where you would not expect it, and so may have been finished to make all parts from different batches appear more uniform for commercial sales.
All below is speculation without any documentation.
I expect that Mauser accommodated all customers as best as possible, with the government contract their major customer during the war years. Commercial sales would not require the use of toggles with concealment codes on them, so you'd expect to see the Mauser Banner barrel, and batch production of the other parts would probably not be interrupted for special runs of parts not inspected for the military contracts.
As it became necessary to fulfil small commercial contracts, batches of finished parts would be pulled from existing stocks to complete the required number of pistols. We have parts assembly process diagrams so those processes could probably be researched. Final finishing and assembly sequences could be determined.
If parts were scarce, and that could be especially true for major parts like the receiver or frame, you would expect them to be sourced from anything acceptable still available in the factory. That could include older leftover stock and might account for the use of earlier year receivers on some of the commercial contracts like the Swedish contracts. Nothing implies that these were rejected parts.
Without documentation, we'll have nothing more than evaluation from people like Joop, members of this forum and our own collector opinions.
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