Jan C. Still Lugerforums banner
1 - 9 of 9 Posts

·
Premium Member
Joined
·
1,743 Posts
Discussion Starter · #1 ·
Presented here is from out of my collection which is a "Bench Mark" example of a private purchase by a Kreigsmarine Officer who elected to purchase his own pistol from the KM stores/supply house and utilized an outside vender for his holster. There is no fleet numbers inscribed on grip strap. Trust that you will enjoy it.

Download Attachment: holster front.JPG
98.4 KB

Download Attachment: holster rear.JPG
107.27 KB

Download Attachment: holster exposed.JPG
114.79 KB

Download Attachment: holster markings.JPG
155.95 KB Occasionally, one will find a holster or pistol which will have the retailer's stamp applied. Given that the German Law holds that the last person or firm to apply such markings to the end product are to be held legally responsible for repairs or warrantee, it is not common to find such retailer's marks.

Download Attachment: pistol left side.JPG
176.74 KB

Download Attachment: pistol left side close up.JPG
138.35 KB

Download Attachment: pistol right side.JPG
173.71 KB

Download Attachment: pistol KM proof.JPG
162.38 KB

Download Attachment: barrel proof mark.JPG
107.39 KB
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
138 Posts
Wow, the officer that owned that gun either took really good care or just left it at the office! Where did you find it? Never really liked the 1934 Mausers, but would be proud to own that one!
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
226 Posts
What makes this a "private purchase"? Do you base this only on the holster, or does the gun have a history?

I would say that it would be a bit of speculation to say that all KM pistols in civilian holsters are "private purchases"... Any comments from the other members on this??
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
35 Posts
quote:Originally posted by huggiebear

Presented here is from out of my collection which is a "Bench Mark" example of a private purchase by a Kreigsmarine Officer who elected to purchase his own pistol from the KM stores/supply house and utilized an outside vender for his holster. There is no fleet numbers inscribed on grip strap. Trust that you will enjoy it.
Hi there Huggiebear,
Sorry bout the previous empty post. Have a rig identical to yours although not in the same condition. Hard to beat unused. just a question or 2. Holster identical to yours while excellent condition by no means as nice as yours. Only marking on holster inside flap ink stamped Mauser 7.65 mm. Under button flap stamped jhg 41. Would this be a private purchase also and is the hoster considered common or rare?
As to the pistol itself is just like yours except probably about 98% condition. There is just a bit of holster wear on the forward part of the slide, both sides. The proof on the barrel lug is a crown crown U, and a crown U in back of rear sight. Commercial pistol??? KM mark on the right side of the frame same position as yours. Dealer/lugerexpert???? looked at it said its pantographed however the pistol is listed in Jan Still's Axis Pistols N5145. Some people just enjoy being jerks. Came with 2 mags, (proper) one unmarked and the other marked O.2949 X. Would welcome correspondence from owner of O.2949. Thanks for any info you might be willing to share. phredp
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
35 Posts
quote:Originally posted by huggiebear

Presented here is from out of my collection which is a "Bench Mark" example of a private purchase by a Kreigsmarine Officer who elected to purchase his own pistol from the KM stores/supply house and utilized an outside vender for his holster. There is no fleet numbers inscribed on grip strap. Trust that you will enjoy it.
Hi there Huggiebear,
Sorry bout the previous empty post. Have a rig identical to yours although not in the same condition. Hard to beat unused. just a question or 2. Holster identical to yours while excellent condition by no means as nice as yours. Only marking on holster inside flap ink stamped Mauser 7.65 mm. Under button flap stamped jhg 41. Would this be a private purchase also and is the hoster considered common or rare?
As to the pistol itself is just like yours except probably about 98% condition. There is just a bit of holster wear on the forward part of the slide, both sides. The proof on the barrel lug is a crown crown U, and a crown U in back of rear sight. Commercial pistol??? KM mark on the right side of the frame same position as yours. Dealer/lugerexpert???? looked at it said its pantographed however the pistol is listed in Jan Still's Axis Pistols N5145. Some people just enjoy being jerks. Came with 2 mags, (proper) one unmarked and the other marked O.2949 X. Would welcome correspondence from owner of O.2949. Thanks for any info you might be willing to share. phredp
 

·
Premium Member
Joined
·
1,743 Posts
Discussion Starter · #6 ·
Your "jhg"41 dated Mauser 7.65 holster would suspect to have a waffenamt proof of WaA286 on the tip of the hold down strap and so would not be commercial. As far as my statement concerning the "private purchase" of the shown rig. No where is there any indication that it was an issue piece. There is no fleet numbers on the pistol and the holster is certainly commercial purchase . What I did not state was , pistol and holster, was acquired from the veteran exactly as shown. I didn't put this together. It does give pause to my statement when applied to HSc's however but given the time frame of this 1934 Mauser , I feel confident that it was as I stated, private purchase. Does one think that the Kreigsmarine did not have private purchase of "contracted" pistols for their officer corps? There are examples known of the same variation of shown markings which do have fleet markings and of course are non-commercial issues without question.
 

·
Premium Member
Joined
·
1,743 Posts
Discussion Starter · #7 ·
Your "jhg"41 dated Mauser 7.65 holster would suspect to have a waffenamt proof of WaA286 on the tip of the hold down strap and so would not be commercial. As far as my statement concerning the "private purchase" of the shown rig. No where is there any indication that it was an issue piece. There is no fleet numbers on the pistol and the holster is certainly commercial purchase . What I did not state was , pistol and holster, was acquired from the veteran exactly as shown. I didn't put this together. It does give pause to my statement when applied to HSc's however but given the time frame of this 1934 Mauser , I feel confident that it was as I stated, private purchase. Does one think that the Kreigsmarine did not have private purchase of "contracted" pistols for their officer corps? There are examples known of the same variation of shown markings which do have fleet markings and of course are non-commercial issues without question.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
226 Posts
quote:Originally posted by huggiebear

As far as my statement concerning the "private purchase" of the shown rig. No where is there any indication that it was an issue piece. There is no fleet numbers on the pistol and the holster is certainly commercial purchase . What I did not state was , pistol and holster, was acquired from the veteran exactly as shown. I didn't put this together. It does give pause to my statement when applied to HSc's however but given the time frame of this 1934 Mauser , I feel confident that it was as I stated, private purchase. Does one think that the Kreigsmarine did not have private purchase of "contracted" pistols for their officer corps? There are examples known of the same variation of shown markings which do have fleet markings and of course are non-commercial issues without question.
Your Mauser M/1934 is the fourth Kriegsmarine variation. This is the last KM-variation of the M/1934. NONE of the guns of this variation have fleet numbers according to "Axis Pistols" by J.Still. It might be a private purchase, but there is no way of ever knowing that. It is a beautiful gun for sure, but to say it is a private purchase would, in my opinion, be pure speculation...
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
226 Posts
quote:Originally posted by huggiebear

As far as my statement concerning the "private purchase" of the shown rig. No where is there any indication that it was an issue piece. There is no fleet numbers on the pistol and the holster is certainly commercial purchase . What I did not state was , pistol and holster, was acquired from the veteran exactly as shown. I didn't put this together. It does give pause to my statement when applied to HSc's however but given the time frame of this 1934 Mauser , I feel confident that it was as I stated, private purchase. Does one think that the Kreigsmarine did not have private purchase of "contracted" pistols for their officer corps? There are examples known of the same variation of shown markings which do have fleet markings and of course are non-commercial issues without question.
Your Mauser M/1934 is the fourth Kriegsmarine variation. This is the last KM-variation of the M/1934. NONE of the guns of this variation have fleet numbers according to "Axis Pistols" by J.Still. It might be a private purchase, but there is no way of ever knowing that. It is a beautiful gun for sure, but to say it is a private purchase would, in my opinion, be pure speculation...
 
1 - 9 of 9 Posts
This is an older thread, you may not receive a response, and could be reviving an old thread. Please consider creating a new thread.
Top