[Jan C Still]

Ralph
You said "I hope this new info will help you find the complete story odd proof... Ralph"
The information is not new and is in Weimar Lugers page 195 and 196.
The sight has copied from "German Small Arms Markings" and "Weimar Lugers" and is in violation of copyright.

According to regulations Weimar police unit markings were placed on the front strap of Lugers. There is an exception used for a short time in the early 1920's where the partial unit stamp was placed elsewhere(usually above the lanyard.

Based on observations of many hundreds of Weimar police unit stamps and the various regulations, A "G" stamped on the right receiver does not constitute a unit stamp.
Jan

 

[Heinz]

David, the crown/letter on the right side of the reciever on Imperial era Lugers was termed an "acceptance mark" by the German inspectors Gortz and Bryans p117, 118). Although the acceptance was usually based on an examination,or inspection, it also reflected various spot checks for interchangability and the succesful completion of firing in. The position of each of the accceptance/inspection stamps reflects the stage of the manufacturing process being accepted. From left to right they are Reciever hardened (3); Pistol ready for power proof and shooting in (26a); Pistol after shooting in (26c). The number-letter in parenthises refers to the designation 1910 P08 marking instructions. Copies of the marking instructions may be found in Gortz and Bryans or in Still's Imperial Lugers. I do not think it is out of line to call them inspection marks, they are certainly inspector's marks you may also hear them referred to as acceptance marks. The 26c mark for example is based on a firing in acceptance, not just an inspection. In conjunction with these marks ther may also appear a crown/RC indicating the acceptance of a part with cosmetic or non-performance impairing faults. The crown/RC will usually apper above the inspectors mark for the acceptance stage in question. I think the inference of acceptance mark changes when you get into third reich weapons but leave that to experts in the area.

 

[Heinz]

David, the crown/letter on the right side of the reciever on Imperial era Lugers was termed an "acceptance mark" by the German inspectors Gortz and Bryans p117, 118). Although the acceptance was usually based on an examination,or inspection, it also reflected various spot checks for interchangability and the succesful completion of firing in. The position of each of the accceptance/inspection stamps reflects the stage of the manufacturing process being accepted. From left to right they are Reciever hardened (3); Pistol ready for power proof and shooting in (26a); Pistol after shooting in (26c). The number-letter in parenthises refers to the designation 1910 P08 marking instructions. Copies of the marking instructions may be found in Gortz and Bryans or in Still's Imperial Lugers. I do not think it is out of line to call them inspection marks, they are certainly inspector's marks you may also hear them referred to as acceptance marks. The 26c mark for example is based on a firing in acceptance, not just an inspection. In conjunction with these marks ther may also appear a crown/RC indicating the acceptance of a part with cosmetic or non-performance impairing faults. The crown/RC will usually apper above the inspectors mark for the acceptance stage in question. I think the inference of acceptance mark changes when you get into third reich weapons but leave that to experts in the area.

 

[holster_collector]

Thank you, Garfield, for your note. Does this mean there is no final inspection of the commercial pistol, only a test firing, OR, does the firing proof indicate passing of both the proof test and a mechanical and cosmetic inspection of the pistol?

 

[holster_collector]

Thank you, Garfield, for your note. Does this mean there is no final inspection of the commercial pistol, only a test firing, OR, does the firing proof indicate passing of both the proof test and a mechanical and cosmetic inspection of the pistol?

 

[garfield]

quote:Originally posted by dmclain

Thank you, Garfield, for your note. Does this mean there is no final inspection of the commercial pistol, only a test firing, OR, does the firing proof indicate passing of both the proof test and a mechanical and cosmetic inspection of the pistol?

The short answer is that P08s produced for the commercial market were not required to meet the stringent contract specifications and were not subject to the intensive inspection process mandated by the military contracts.

Comparing commercial luger proof mark stamps with military luger proof/acceptance marks is very much like comparing oranges with apples.

The military acceptance process as established by the Waffenamt was a bit complex. Suggest that you get a good reference. Simplistically stated:

Military pistols were required under contract to meet certain specifications. The military acceptance stamps indicated that a particular pistol had met each specific test required by the military contract. A commercial pistol needed only to pass the government required proof test.

Cosmetic standards, I am certain, were dictated by internal factory quality control. In any event, the acceptance stamps on the military pistols do not deal with the 'cosmetic' aspect of the pistol.

 

[garfield]

quote:Originally posted by dmclain

Thank you, Garfield, for your note. Does this mean there is no final inspection of the commercial pistol, only a test firing, OR, does the firing proof indicate passing of both the proof test and a mechanical and cosmetic inspection of the pistol?

The short answer is that P08s produced for the commercial market were not required to meet the stringent contract specifications and were not subject to the intensive inspection process mandated by the military contracts.

Comparing commercial luger proof mark stamps with military luger proof/acceptance marks is very much like comparing oranges with apples.

The military acceptance process as established by the Waffenamt was a bit complex. Suggest that you get a good reference. Simplistically stated:

Military pistols were required under contract to meet certain specifications. The military acceptance stamps indicated that a particular pistol had met each specific test required by the military contract. A commercial pistol needed only to pass the government required proof test.

Cosmetic standards, I am certain, were dictated by internal factory quality control. In any event, the acceptance stamps on the military pistols do not deal with the 'cosmetic' aspect of the pistol.