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With the help and guidance of the folks on this forum I decided to go pick up a Beretta M1934 that I spotted last weekend.

First a little bit about my day. Two weeks ago my truck died on the way to a gun show and I spent a lot of time trying to get it the 160 miles to home. It is still dead. Since my Father-In-Law is out of the country for a month or two I decided to liberate his newer truck for my campaign to retrieve the little Beretta today. I drove the 120 miles to the Pawn Shop to take the pistol this morning. This Pawn Shop has one employee who has a brain and the rest are aggressive in their idiocy.

Last weekend, while I was examining the Beretta in question a Jamaican "Posse" entered the store. I decided rather than get caught in the cross fire I ought to come back later so I left. Needless to say, like many of their breed, this Pawn Shop is not in the best part of town. I came back today to claim my prize. I asked the idiot Manchild behind the counter to examine a few pieces as I meandered my way to the pistol in question. Last weekend this very same miscreant had cautioned me strongly that this Beretta was broken and that I was not to pull back the slide; they had a bear getting it back last time someone did this. Well, OK then! I examined the pistol this morning but wanted to see the bore so I went to pull the slide back when he snatched it from my hand telling me it was broken and would stick back. I assured him I knew what I was doing and pulled the slide back to examine the bore. It looked clean. I then made my move. The pistol was marked $300. I offered $200 for it. I knew the deal was going to be brought to the one person with a brain in his head and tried to come up with a number that would not be too high that he would think more could be made or too low that he would get indignant. He bit and I offered up my FFL and the cash. We completed our paperwork and concluded our business with a handshake. I detest Manchildren but find some sick pleasure in taking them to the cleaners! With bargain in hand I leapt out of the Pawn Shop. With greedy eyes I headed to another shop where I had seen a Sauer 38h and laid some money down on it to put it on Lay-Away pending my next check. Then, rather than turn to home I headed out to check out yet another Pawn Shop in an even WORSE area of town. As I walked out of this last Pawn Shop my Father-In-Laws truck died on me. What are the odds that two Ford F150s would die in less than two weeks with the same driver? These trucks have never ever "just died" before. At least this truck was cheap to get running. A new battery and $130 later I was on my way home. I am having a bad luck summer with cars!

Details about the pistol. This Beretta is a Romanian contract Beretta M1934, evidenced by the CAL.9 SCURT marking on the slide. I see no importers markings on this pistol at all and I have looked long and hard. Could someone with one of the recently imported Romanian contract Berettas please tell me where the importers marking is located? I suspect this is one that was imported in the 50s-60s or came home as a liberated weapon with a GI. The serial number is 00420. This follows the five digit numbering pattern that Huggibear suggested in his post regarding his pistol. Please note how close the serial numbers of these two pistols are. The bluing is quite good on this pistol. I do see some old pitting that has oxidized over and this is only in tiny patches near the muzzle. There are some slight handling marks but in general this pistol has a fine finish. I would estimate the pistol has 98% remaining bluing. The hammer is also blued. Is this correct? I seem to recall the others in my collection have hammers in the white. I am trying to decide if I am looking at original finish or a dip bluing on this piece. Everything looks original about the finish but I cannot recall how the hammers were. The serial number matches on the slide, barrel and frame. On the right tang is the stamp CM in a circle. Is this a Romanian inspectors marking? On the left trigger guard bow is the stamp EZ. What is the meaning of this? The bore is shiny and new. Did I get a good bargain? I have wanted one of these pistols since I first read Jan's AXIS PISTOLS back in the 80s. I resisted getting one of those offered recently due to the condition. If I had to guess I would say this pistol never saw combat at all. All comments are welcome!




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just some thoughts of mine that I need to print out about why I have reservation about with your purchase. It appears that you have a correct Romanian Contract 1934 Beretta but being that it is only a few numbers way from mine and it is all blue weapon with mine being plum colored distrubes me and also the blued hammmer which should be in the white. Couldn't really tell till held it in hand but doubts exist about originality with me.
 

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I just pulled my 1943 Beretta M1934 out and compared it to the Romanian contract piece I just picked up. I am examining both to determine if the Romanian piece has been reblued. On both pistols the serial number strike on the frame is weak on the last digit. That seems to be a common effect on these Berettas. On the 1943 dated piece the hammer and guide rod are both in the white. On the Romanian piece the hammer and guide rod are blued. Both DO look like they are original finishes so here are the questions. Did Beretta blue the hammers and guide rods and then stop? Or am I looking at a reblued pistol?
 

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quote:Originally posted by huggiebear

just some thoughts of mine that I need to print out about why I have reservation about with your purchase. It appears that you have a correct Romanian Contract 1934 Beretta but being that it is only a few numbers way from mine and it is all blue weapon with mine being plum colored distrubes me and also the blued hammmer which should be in the white. Couldn't really tell till held it in hand but doubts exist about originality with me.
John,
I am leaning towards a very well done reblue myself. The red paint dot on the left side safety is still present but that does not really say much. What I just noticed is that the spot on the tang where the hammer bangs on the tang producing a mark in the finish is not as pronounced on serial number 00420. That makes me 95% certain that this piece is a dip blued piece.
 

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$200, I would have bought it.

Here are my notes on an import marked Romaian M1934:
"Armamentos Wpb Fl 380acp Italy", clearly stamped on top of barrel. Mark on Beretta Model 1934 .380 Serial No. 23361. Also saw same Armamentos import mark on CM Romanian Scurt 1941, M1934 Beretta at Seabrook Grayhound park, NH, Mar./04.

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quote:Originally posted by Pancho

Here are my notes on an import marked Romaian M1934:
"Armamentos Wpb Fl 380acp Italy", clearly stamped on top of barrel. Mark on Beretta Model 1934 .380 Serial No. 23361. Also saw same Armamentos import mark on CM Romanian Scurt 1941, M1934 Beretta at Seabrook Grayhound park, NH, Mar./04.

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Pancho,
That is what I recall seeing in the past. I will have to look LONG and hard at the barrel on 00420 as I see no markings on the top and the serial number did look genuine to me. Perhaps this is a coincidence perhaps it is not but I picked up 00420 in West Palm Beach, FL! Thanks for that feedback.
 

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Hello Michael
I have two of the recent Romaian Beretta Md.1934 pistols S.N. 34531 & 07537 I picked up as shooters and thought it was interesting that they are both dated 1941 but the slide legends are of two differert sizes. They are both salt blued, including the hammer, extractot pin,trigger pin and sear which should be in the white. The barrels appear to be after market replacements and are the only part importer marked even though they are numbered to the pistols. I say after market barrels because the chamber portion is larger in diameter the the rest of the barrel and I have not seen this on a original barrel. The magizines also appear to be after market as the finger extensions is very thick and the magizine follower and cut-out in the rear spine have a different shape than the origionals.

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