[EdD]

You know ... there is a reason why that .22 is rare. Even today we see problems with firearms that have to be fixed before they are serviceable. I suspect that the reason Walther seems to have become dominant in that category has to do with quality.

I am of the opinion that the Franz Stock gun company was a bit of a hobby for old moneybags Franz.

I would suggest using Loc-tite rather than, Thor-like, smashing the pins with a hammer.

 

[BRING_GUNS]

Yeah entirely possible it was a dud from the start, or worked pretty well without much margin for error and 90 years later the striker spring has worn enough that it's now outside that margin.

Loc-tite or a mild glue is probably the answer for the magazine pins on both guns, although I am curious how they were assembled in the first place. I imagine there's very good reasons people stopped making mags that go together that way!

Hopefully the McMaster-Carr springs do the trick, if not then oh well. I prefer to get all of my guns in working order if at all possible but sometimes it just can't be done. It's a cool piece for the collection that I'm fortunate to have obtained regardless of function.

 

[Stucki]

I am of the opinion that the Franz Stock gun company was a bit of a hobby for old moneybags Franz

The Franz Stock company produced self-loading pistols from the beginning of the 1920s, first in 7.65mm caliber, then in 6.35mm caliber, and from 1923/24 also the .22LR target pistol.

Gerhard Bock, a German handgun expert and successful shooter, described in his book "Moderne Faustfeuerwaffen" (Modern Handguns) from 1923 the quality and reliability of the Stock pistols (7.65mm) as outstanding.

I have shot numerous Stock pistols and never noticed any quality problems. Ed Buffaloe and Ed Dittus in their article on Stock pistols (unblinkingeye.com) point out a possible weakness of the breech block - but the data base for a general statement on this seems too weak to me.

I don't know on which information basis the weapon company Franz Stock can be disqualified as a hobby of its owner. This is even more true for the defamation of Franz Stock as an old money bag. Such comments do not seem very serious to me.

If there are new and reliable information about Franz Stock and its pistols, I will be glad to revise my opinion about Stock pistols...

Alexander

 

[EdD]

Check your PM

"Moneybags" does not begin to describe him.

 

[johnboy]

The thing in post 17 looks like a mag loader.

 

[Stucki]

Check your PM

"Moneybags" does not begin to describe him.

Thanks for the interesting article you sent me!

I probably misunderstood you - your description of the company as a hobby of Franz Stock, I interpreted as a pejorative, fundamental criticism of the quality of Stock pistols. You are obviously not of this opinion, since you describe the 7.65 and 6.35 pistols as "high quality pistols". I agree...😂

But I still don't understand the money bag thing - maybe you can explain it to me...😉

Alexander

 

[EdD]

Thanks for the interesting article you sent me!

I probably misunderstood you - your description of the company as a hobby of Franz Stock, I interpreted as a pejorative, fundamental criticism of the quality of Stock pistols. You are obviously not of this opinion, since you describe the 7.65 and 6.35 pistols as "high quality pistols". I agree...😂

But I still don't understand the money bag thing - maybe you can explain it to me...😉

Alexander

Franz was a board member of Deutsche Telephone, a company headed by his brother. When this company was sold it is not unreasonable to assume that it was a significant payday for Franz. If one looks at his home

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One can appreciate that this gentle craftsman was living large, as the expression goes. Further, the firearms sales of the Stock company (average 5500/annum) is not really the volume one would associate with a going concern. Hence the observation that it was a hobby company. A not uncommon occurrence amongst the wealthy.

 

[Stucki]

Obviously wealthy and therefore moneybag - ok can be seen that way...😂

Nevertheless, in my opinion his company was not a hobby factory, but a small professionally working gun factory. But about the quality of the Stock pistols we obviously agree…😉

Anyway - it is now clear to me what you meant and I have learned different things about Franz Stock- thanks! 🙂

Alexander

 

[EdD]

Stock pistols are fine. But the Stock Company was really a machine shop that turned out pistols. After 1930 not even that. Sadly, I think the records were in Berlin.

 

[BRING_GUNS]

I assume EdD and the Ed D. coauthoring the Unblinking Eye article are somehow related? 😉

I got the McMaster-Carr springs today and tried them out. They do seem very close to the original but unfortunately they merely brought the light strike rate down to a solid 50%. The only other option I can think of before giving up is to have a heavier firing pin made. I have a machinist friend who might be able to do it. The narrowed section in the middle of the pin doesn't appear to serve any purpose that I can tell so excluding that cut when making a new pin would add a decent amount of extra mass to the pin which might make it hit hard enough to fire consistently.

 

[EdD]

I assume EdD and the Ed D. coauthoring the Unblinking Eye article are somehow related? 😉

I got the McMaster-Carr springs today and tried them out. They do seem very close to the original but unfortunately they merely brought the light strike rate down to a solid 50%. The only other option I can think of before giving up is to have a heavier firing pin made. I have a machinist friend who might be able to do it. The narrowed section in the middle of the pin doesn't appear to serve any purpose that I can tell so excluding that cut when making a new pin would add a decent amount of extra mass to the pin which might make it hit hard enough to fire consistently.

Could be a coinkydink I suppose

You know, I would call Walt Wolf of Wolf springs and chat with him. Alternatively, if you have a good gunsmith locally it might be worth a chat with him. The OD cannot exceed the diameter of the spring channel but there is nothing that limits the wire diameter and therefore the ID. And that is how you could increase the strength. I'd probably start with another look at MC.