Stock Lug Data survey

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Dwight Gruber

Discussion Starter · Mar 20, 2004

I am collecting serial number data to try to pin down the changeover from no-stock-lug frames to frames with stock lugs on 1913 Lugers, both DWM and Erfurt, and the range of 1914 pistols with no stock lugs.

Please post (or send me) the serial# of any 1913 DWM or Erfurt pistols -with- stock lugs which you own or know about. Also, if you can report the serial# of 1914 DWM or Erfurt pistols -without- stock lugs please report that as well--also include the inspectors's stamps present on these pistols.

Serial numbers from 1920 property marked "two-date" Lugers and Police reworks which retain their original serial# are valid for the purpose, as are East German and Russian reworks which retain sufficient identity.

It is possible that this survey has been done in AutoMag, and I am simply reinventing the wheel--I have no way to know. If this is the case, I would appreciate being told or, better yet, if somebody would send me the data, this survey will add to it.

When it appears that no more information is forthcoming I will post the results.

--Dwight
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RockinWR

· #2 · Mar 20, 2004

Dwight,
* From Jan's 12/29/03 "1908 DWM, COMM. ARMY, R.I.R.72 M.G." Post, here are the known 1914 DWM-No Lug-Triple C/X examples reported so far.

"Some 1914 DWM Lugers in the 8000a-9400a serial range bear the C/X C/X C/X and lack a stock lug. (Data base lost, additional serial numbers and descriptions would be most helpful.) Serial numbers reported:

8083a: 1914 DWM - 8083a No Stock Lug Post - RockinWR's Example
8084a: Fig 13a, Pg.42 of Imperial Lugers
8239a: Fig 13a, Pg.42 of Imperial Lugers
8257a: Fig 13a, Pg.42 of Imperial Lugers
8310a: 1914 DWM - 8083a No Stock Lug Post - Ron Wood's Example
8368a: AutoMag, Issue XXXI(3/94), Pg.279
8525a: Fig 13a, Pg.42 of Imperial Lugers
8754a: 1914 DWM - 8083a No Stock Lug Post - Luke's Example
8837a:
8856a: Fig 13a, Pg.42 of Imperial Lugers
9351a: Fig 13a, Pg.42 of Imperial Lugers"

* Trust this gets this thread off & running.
Respectfully,

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Luke

· #3 · Mar 21, 2004

Dwight -

My 1913 DWM with stock lug is SN4240b.

Page 39 of "Imperial Lugers" includes a picture of a 1913 DWM with stock lug from Doug Smith's collection. It is SN5486b.

Luke

Jan

· #4 · Mar 21, 2004

ERFURT 1912, SN 1104 a, no stock lug.

Luke

· #5 · Mar 22, 2004

"When it appears that no more information is forthcoming I will post the results."

Dwight -

I also have a strong interest in this subject. The response to the survey has been disappointing so far, but I suspect that not many members own a 1913 DWM with stock lug.

When I first obtained mine I privately emailed two long-time collectors inquiring about the history of this type. One of them informed me that there were no 1913 DWMs with stock lug; the other said he had never seen one in about 30 years collecting.
Later, I asked Bob Simpson the question, and he replied that they were uncommon, but he has seen them.

Regards,
Luke

Dwight Gruber

Discussion Starter · #6 · Mar 22, 2004

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Luke

· #7 · Mar 22, 2004

"Actually, Simpson's has three of them for sale right now."

The 1913s listed at Simpsons are Erfurt Lugers. My comments relate to DWM only.

Luke

Dwight Gruber

Discussion Starter · #8 · Mar 23, 2004

Oops, you're right...betraying my own interests, I guess...

--Dwight

armin

· #9 · Mar 23, 2004

Dwight,
my 1914 DWM with serial number 8151a has no stug lug and bears 3 C/X.
Armin.

Dwight Gruber

Discussion Starter · #10 · Mar 23, 2004

I am beginning to wonder, can anyone report 1914 DWM Lugers in the 8000a-9400a range -with- stock lugs?

--Dwight

taudelt

· #11 · Aug 28, 2005

Dwight..... Observed 1913 DWM #2390b and it had no stock lug.

drbuster

· #12 · Aug 28, 2005

Dwight, My 1913 DWM, #1596b, has no stock lug.

kidvett

· #13 · Aug 29, 2005

Dwight,

Both Erfurts 1913 dated:

SN 3603a No stock lug ( but one was added later on ! please see post )
SN 7825a WITH stock lug

The other 1913 I have is an Erfurt top mated to a 60 digits apart DWM bottom...that has no stock lug...

MARC

G

· #14 · Dec 22, 2005

I discovered yesterday that I own a 1914 DWM Commercial Luger. The serial number is 70830 and it does not have the lug.

Brad

Dwight Gruber

Discussion Starter · #15 · Dec 22, 2005

Brad,

Thanks for the response here. I think you may have misinterpreted something I said in the other discussion about your Luger. Although I suspect that it was -made- in 1914, it is still a model 1908 Commercial Army. The defining difference between the 1908 Commercial and the 1914 Commercial is that the 1914 has a stock lug, the 1908 was manufactured without it. Within the serial number range including #67879 and #73449 both models were manufactured concurrently (alonng with several others).

--Dwight

G

· #16 · Dec 22, 2005

I understand now. Thanks

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