[Guest]

Hello,
hopefully I will be able to load the photo showing the unusual luger notch. This German Luger is in 95% or better condition. I have been told that is is possibly a test model or prototype possibly a relative of the cartridge counter model. At any rate, this luger has a very small notch cut out on teh frame just above the grip. It is maybe 1/4" inch in length and very thin. Does anyone have any information on this weapon? It is stunning in appearance but I have been unable to find out anything about it. [email protected] is my email address. Thank you Paul

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[Edward Tinker]

Sorry, that notch is usually for a Police magazine safety.

Paul welcome to the forum, I have lighted the picture a bit. Usually you would see a "cut-out" on the grip where the mag safety goes, although grips are easy to replace, 2nd there is always a sear safety...


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The cartridge counters were very early ones, so knowing the serial of this one, to include suffix off of the frame is needed.

Can you provide top, both sides, info on inside of grips etc?

Ed

 

[Ron Wood]

Unfortunately, the modification to this Luger is not a prototype and not even particularly rare. It is a cut made to accommodate a magazine safety that was required for a time by police units to preclude the capability to fire a Luger with a loaded chamber if the magazine is removed. It is a spring like device that moves behind the trigger and blocks its movement. The frame will also have a hole in it that can be seen if you remove the side plate. This is where the part of the device protrudes through the frame and contacts the magazine. The magazine safety was more of a nuisance than a safety device, consequently most of them were removed or deactivated by clipping off the part that went behind the trigger.

(Added: Dang Ed, you were quicker on the draw this time!!)

 

[Guest]

Thanks very much. I will provide photos and information shortly.

Paul

 

[Guest]

Thanks to everyone that has responded. It's not what I thought but it's good to have the facts. I am hopefully getting several additional photos loaded. The numbers are LKZ99 and 1892 (serial?)

Is there anyway to determine the best guess value on this Luger assuming it is in the 95% range as I have described?

Paul

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[Edward Tinker]

Can you tell us the suffix from the front of the frame? Should be a b, an m, a t???

Also, what proof is on the right? Looks like WaA466??

The LKZ99 where is it located? On the grip strap?

And what is the exact imprint? Is it L. Kz. 99 ??

Ed

 

[Guest]

Ed, the suffix is a "t". The proof is WaA66.The LKZ 99.is located on the front part of the grip under the trigger guard. It is printed exactly as L.KZ 99. Thank you for your help.

 

[Edward Tinker]

Now we are getting somewhere.... The t makes this a DWM transitional piece, also known as a "sneak"

See these links:
http://www.gunboards.com/luger/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=4512

t marked
http://www.gunboards.com/luger/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=4473

http://www.gunboards.com/luger/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=4460

yours is very interesting, I do not have my books with me, but it sounds like it is police (unit) marked, but no sear is interesting. Is there signs that a hole was in the top where a sear goes?

Ed

 

[Guest]

Ed,
Can you tell me exactly where to look to look for the hole. My technical expertise is limited. I'll be glad to take any more photos if it will assist you.

 

[Guest]

Eh? Isn't there a sear safety shown in the first picture?

(See, I visit other threads, too ;P)

 

[Edward Tinker]

If you take off the left grip (being careful, sometimes they stick and the corner can break off).

Then the hole would be here, see where it is blue, above this and under there should be a hole, if drilled for it. if not, then maybe they started and never finished?:



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[Guest]

See if these two photo angles help?

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[Edward Tinker]

No signs of welding, reblueing in that area?

ed

 

[Guest]

Not at all. The gun collector I showed it to said that was the first thing he eliminated. He is not a Luger guy per se but he is very good with alterations and finishes. He wa very pleased with it.

 

[Ron Wood]

From the top view of the pistol it is clear that it was modified for the sear safety which has been removed. Note the open slot in the top of the side plate and the hole in the rib above the sear. It was set up for police use, but evidently the modification for the magazine safety was started and never completed, i.e. the spring slot was cut but the hole in the frame was not drilled. I guess it happened about the time they decided the mag safety was more trouble than it was worth.

 

[donmaus]

Paul,

Your Luger is one of about 9,000 manufactured in 1929 and used in the rearming of the Landjägerei, the Prussian rural constabulary. It was assigned to the district of Koblenz in the Rhineland and was weapon number 99 of about 175 Landjägerei pistols in that district. All of the Landjägerei Lugers had both sear and magazine safeties.

 

[Guest]

I thank you all for the very useful information. My only remaining question would be of value. Does this model bring a premiumz? Any suggestion of what it is worth?

 

[Policeluger]

Are all numbers matching and does it have a matching clip or two? if you have a min 1 matching clip and all numbers on the gun match, would put it in the $950.00/1,100.00 range.....let me know, I could be interested....thanks

 

[Guest]

Thank you, I will decide and let you know.

 

[Edward Tinker]

quote:Originally posted by Incognito

Eh? Isn't there a sear safety shown in the first picture?

It kind of looks like one, but isn't, it would be double stacked looking like that... (there also is the cut as described by others on the sideplate, but it wasn't clear enough for me to guess at that.)

Ed