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Was able to give this a good new home over the weekend. Everything matching except for the mag which is an Erfurt #1477m. I would rate the gun between 95 and 98% with a really nice bore. You wonder where they were..........

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I'm thinking 4th Company of the 68th Infantry Regiment, gun 73. If anyone has any info on that unit I sure would appreciate knowing more about it.

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Note that the grip screws are not Erfurt stamped and the grips look more like DWM rather than earlier Erfurt where the area around the grip screw is also checkered. The grips are numbered to the gun and are Erfurt stamped on the inside. Perhaps there was a change late in production. I don't know a lot about Erfurt guns but perhaps those of you that do will post some comments.

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It was a vet bring back and it came in what I think is a 1944 Browning High Power holster with a second Erfurt mag #4717a+.

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Dave,

Conventional wisdom has it that late-production Erfurt do not have inspection stamps on the grip screws. I have not heard when this practice changed. The Erfurts I have on hand to compare--1911, 1912, 1914 LP, 1917/18--are all checkered (that is, not checkered) around the grip screw in the same manner as yours.

Interesting to note that your toggle is stamped with a broken die.

Wiser heads than I can comment on the unit mark.

Thats a -very- nice Luger you have there!

--Dwight
 

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Dave
Excellent photographs and presentation on your excellent unit marked 1918 Erfurt. Unit marked 1918 Erfurts are scarce.

Dwight is right on about the grip screws, Erfurt stoped stamping acceptance marks on them in about 1917 and Ron is right on about the unit stamp. The 16th Division battled on both the Eastern and Western Fronts during World War I.
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Dave
Have a number of 68JR marked lugers in my data base.
Jan
* 1915 DWM, 73XXB : 68.R.5.2. - (68 Infanterie-Regiment, Kompagnie 5, Waffe Nr. 2)
* 1916 DWM, : 68.R.9.2. - (68 Infanterie-Regiment, Kompagnie 9, Waffe Nr. 2)
*1918 ERFURT , s/n 3521o: 68.R.9.33. - (68 Infanterie-Regiment, Kompagnie 9, Waffe Nr. 33)
*1918 ERFURT , : 68.R.3.8. - (68 Infanterie-Regiment, Kompagnie 3, Waffe Nr. 8)
* 1918 ERFURT, s/n 4177n: 68.R.12.3. - (68 Infanterie-Regiment , Kompagnie 12, Waffe Nr. 3)
* 1918 ERFURT, 8976n: 68.R.12.28. - (68 Infanterie-Regiment , Kompagnie 12, Waffe Nr. 28)
* 1908 DWM; Regimental: 68.R.M.G.25. - (68 Infanterie-Regiment, Maschinengewehr-Kompagnie, Waffe Nr. 25)
* 1917 LP08: 68.R.6.2. - (68 Infanterie-Regiment , Kompagnie 6, Waffe Nr. 2)
 

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Another unit marked 1918 Erfurt, but with 2 matching mags. Thanks for the information.
If either of you guys decide that you want to find another home for your Lugers. Please let me know. I can probably find a good trade.(I have yet to find a unit marked 1918.)
Jan
 

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Taudelt and other members,

The broken crown above 'Erfurt' on a 1918 P08 makes me wonder when the broken die was used. I have a LP08 1914 Erfurt in the low series (#686) with a normal crown, and another LP08 1914 in the mid series (#6662b) with a broken crown. It is 'broken' in exactly the same spot as Taudelt's 1918 P08.
Any thoughts on this?

Jan,
I have also a DWM LP08 early 1918 (#9528 no suffix) with a unit mark on the grip. This one reads 93.R.11.12 - should be the 8th Division's 93th Regiment, Company 11, weapon 12 I suppose. It makes me wonder why there are quite a few 1918's with regimental markings showing up, while you wrote in Imperial Lugers that only 1% was marked... Is that figure still correct to your opinion?
 

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The following posts contain the information that you are asking about. The last column is the number unit marked Lugers divided by the annual production. This gives an indication of the number of Lugers produced verses the number unit marked. (It is based on 565 unit marked DWM P08's and 195 unit marked Erfurt P08's.)

1/2, DISTRIBUTION OF UNIT MARKED LUGERS BY YEAR Jan C Still http://www.gunboards.com/luger/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=3702

2/2, DISTRIBUTION OF UNIT MARKED LUGERS BY YEAR Jan C Still http://www.gunboards.com/luger/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=3703

For example:
There are 138 unit marked 1908 DWM’s reported giving a ratio of one out of 181 1908 DWM’s produced that are unit marked
There are 16 unit marked 1918 DWM’s reported giving a ratio of one out of 7000 produced that are unit marked

There are 46 unit marked 1911 Erfurts reported giving a ratio of one out of 217 produced that are unit marked
There are 12 unit marked 1918 Erfurts reported giving a ratio of one out of 14500 produced that are unit marked

Produced = number manufactured
Note: the ratio of reported unit marked Lugers divided by production is an indicator only of the number unit marked verses production and is an otherwise meaningless number.
Jan
 
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