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The holster pictured here is unique to my knowledge.
It fits a Walther PPk like a glove. Unusual is the tan pebblegrain leather and the RBN stamped inside the flap.
The Reichsbetriebsnummer was a last attempt in late 1944 to early 1945 to cover the producers of materials.
The RBNs have not decoded yet.

How one can see the bag shows fire traces.

I am searching for other 7,65mm pistol holsters with RBN. Every hint will be appreciated.

Fritz

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Hi Fritz!

I examined last WE one of mine CZ27 holster inside of the flap, because I saw some with marker marks there. Below you see my result:
RBNr.
9/1272/0002
The Holster came with a CZ27 fnh 374xxx with spare mag.
Are you sure that this number was only used at the end of the war, because I have a y strip with RBNr and a handwritten date 39?

Gruß Günter



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Tague,

You are right with your statement I have not expressed myself correctly there. This system has existed already earlier primarily on leather goods and some equipment.
There actually are some P.38 ( primarily police holsters )and P.08 holsters already showing these numbers.But most of the small holsters are late variations. Two of them can be identifyed:

Mauser HSc or Walther PP holster -hsu 1944 - RBNr. 0/0350/0227
( Gebrüder Sparfeld, Leipzig)

CZ 27 - oub - RBNr.0/1272/0002
( A.Jelinek&Sohn, Groß-Meseritsch )

Observed by me : P.38 softshell police accepted 0/0833/0007
P.38 hardshell police accepted 0/0750/0111
P.38 hardshell army accepted 0/0836/0029

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Such numbers are also found on Hi-Power holsters.

A few examples have been noted with the property code: “0/1032/0001".

Holsters found with these markings are: cgn 43, “WaA 920" and also cgn 4, “WaA 920"

1943 example:


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Gentlemen,

Thank you so much for the input.Who knows what we will still discover.

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Here is another P27 holster, with RBN number 0/1250/0011, also FZGJ 1944 (or EZGJ, unknown makers) and E/WaA721 on belt loop. Same holster/markings as shown page 215 of Whittington Vol.III.
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Also in Whittington III on page 151 is mentioned a HSc holster with marking:
V.VITOUSEK HOHENBRUCK
RB Nr. 0/1250/0008

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Here is mine. I have stored it very well, but I have to dig it out again and look if there is a RBNr stamp.



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Some days ago I got two PP Holsters with a RBNr. 0/0350/0227
One is marked inside CZ. Maybe after war there was a CZ inside. But the holsters are identically.

Gruß Günter



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Günther,

thanks a lot for your input. I take it to my database.

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Fritz

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Fritz, here is another possible RBNr. number for your data base.
44 dated P.38 hardshell holster, with RBNr. numbers 0/0655/0010 or 0013 behind the right belt loop in the second photo. (which should be magnified.... difficult to see clearly).
The holster is also faintly marked with the military marking E/WaA 204, with a possible manufacturer's stamp "gmo" for Rahm & kampmann.
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David, Shayne,

This is the stuff I like, thank you men.
Shayne, you lucky collector, your pictured HSC shows a mag with the scarce grip extension.This is one of the missing links in my collection.

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Fritz,

Leider habe ich nur 1 !

In all the years of collecting I've only seen 3 (in person). They couldn't have made very many.

Have you read anything giving numbers made ?

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Shayne:
Thank you for the good photos which several of us were interested in seeing. Because of the metallic finger extension on the magazine,as well as a hint of a high-polish pistol in the holster, I'm sure we were hoping that perhaps you had one of the "Swiss" variations. The six reported "Swiss" variations are commercial pistols, without a military proof such the Army WaA135 acceptance on your pistol. No-one really knows the purpose, or destination of these pistols other than possibly being for special presentation or high-profile sales. However, it appears that you have a rare magazine.
 
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I have a P27 Holster marked almost exactly as "jcoe" and noted by the forum as shown in Whittington Vol. III with a couple of variations:

D/1250/0011
EZGJ . 1944

I'm pretty sure the "D" is the cap letter as it's quite distinct from the "0" and the "EZGJ" is quite distinct on my sample. The "WaA 721" is located below the other markings unlike John's. No markings on the belt loop, but there is an ink stamp on the inner flap:

44 VOR Gxxx

I always thought the "VOR" was the mfg. code but can't find it on any list. The Gxxx is pretty smuged but could be "GEEE". I saw an almost identical sample at a recent gun show with the WaA but no other markings.

Al
 
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