[Fritz]

Hello all,

One of the rarest Walther ZM PP variations is pictured here, the PP RZM.

Only a very few are known today. Registered serial numbers by me are : 882 725, 218 496p, 265 542p and 278 439p.

Many questions which are still completely unsolved for me combine with the represented weapon.
Have these weapons possibly been produced by extra orders individually, because the three weapons examined by me personally have partly different features.

My pistol is extremly well manufactured with small parts tempered in goldyellow. # 265 542 shows blue tempered small parts and another pistol inspected by me ( # is unfortunately unknown )shows silvergrey small parts.
The pistol in the D. Marshall book ( p.24 )seem to show very bright colored small parts.
Unusual are the two different E/N stamps on the left!! side of the barrel.
The pistol shows the typical Walther blueblack color, the inscription and the stampings are deep and clear, so that I can exclude a rework actually.
For comparison purposes I enclose two pictures of a series weapon from the same time period.

Please help me at the clarification of these questions.
Every serial number and primarily every picture is highly wellcome.

Fritz


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[Marschall]

Hello,
I am sorry to say that I have my doubts about those "RZM-PPs". "Reichszeugmeisterei" placed a solid order of PPKs to be produced between 1934 (# 821 500) and 1935 (# 845 000). Those PPKs were marked with the "RZM"-logo. As there were problems with warranty (RZM was liable as the pistols carried their logo and customers turned to them with their warranty problems!), RZM then had no more PPKs produced with that logo. So I am basically suspicious about any "RZM-PPK" produced after 1935. The same is true for PPs - the more so as PPs in the 218 XXX P to 278 XXX P SN-range were produced in 1941/42 - thus way after the RZM-PPK contract.
Dieter H. Marschall

 

[Fritz]

Hey men,

What's on ?? These pistols are a fact ! All parts are matching, nothing is going wrong. Who, when, how and why should fake such a pistol ??
Due to the costs faking this very particular adress with RZM mark is unpossible.
To repeat well known things are not really helpfull to me.
No discussion, no hints and really no other opinion ??

Fritz

 

[sauerfan]

Fritz, Dieter,

well, I don't quiet understand your hot debate about Fritz' RZM marked PP, maybe just because I don't know much about Walthers. For this reason, I am forced to rely on books (which quality I can't judge). I have a book with the title " Walther Verteidigungspistolen Modell 1 - 99 - Modellvarianten and Nachbauten". There are mentioned (pages 21 and 24) some PPs with the RZM logo. The originality of this pistols isn't questioned in this book. Well, as I said: I don't much about Walthers - and not much about this book. Maybe, the info regarding the RZM marked PPs is out-dated, I don't know.

Anyway: Fritz' PP looks pretty good!

Martin

 

[Marschall]

Hello Martin,
as you might have realized I am the author of that book. But we all are (hopefully!) learning over the years. I definitely cannot tell any more now whether those RZM PPs are authentic or fake.
Dieter.

 

[Marschall]

Hello Fritz,
I am sorry to say that I have seen so many faked Walthers within the last couple of years that I might be oversuspicious. What I was writing about the RZM contract and the warranty problems is fact though.
Dieter.