[Guest]

Hello: Jan Still was kind enough to invite me to this forum when I mentioned that I have a few 98/05's with unit markings that I have not been able to identify. I believe most of these are Imperial bayonets reissued to Police units during the Weimar era, and one is (I think) Kriegsmarine marked. If anyone here would be willing to fill in the details, I would very much appreciate it.

1) PW 874
2) N 670 P
3) S.D.4
4) S.W.II 1495
5) S.D.VII.R.117

http://www.museumresources.com/research/weimar/98_05-1.jpg
http://www.museumresources.com/research/weimar/98_05-2.jpg
http://www.museumresources.com/research/weimar/98_05-3.jpg
http://www.museumresources.com/research/weimar/98_05-4.jpg

Thanks very much!!

 

[Edward Tinker]

Jeff welcome to the forum!

I have a 98 also that has markings on the rear of the frog, and never realized it.

Ed

 

[Jan C Still]

Jeff
Welcome to the Forum.

I will make a first pass. 1, and 3-5 are Weimar police. The experts on this Forum may correct me. I am unsure of those with “?”.
1) P.W. 874: Police School Westfalen, weapon no 874. Note: should have “.” after P and W. Also, Pw = Polizeiwehr. Note the small “w”. ?
2) N 670 P: Navy Nordsee stamp?
3) S.D.4: Schutzpolizei Düsseldorf weapon no. 4
4) S.W.II 1495: Schutzpolizei in the administrative district of Wiesbaden, Precinct II. Weapon no. 1495
5) S.D.VII.R.117 Schutzpolizei in the administrative district of Düsseldorf, Precinct VII., Revierhauptmannschaft, weapon no. 117;
Jan
I highly recommend Jeffs site: Advance Guard Militaria.

 

[donmaus]

Is it possible to get a better picture of mark 1) to see if it has the periods?

 

[Guest]

Jan: Thanks very much!! The absolute best thing about my job is the DAILY opportunity to learn something new. An invitation to a forum like this where serious collectors and specialists are spending their time seems like a great way to pick up more information. Thanks also for the kind words about the site (soon to undergo a major overhaul.)

Don: I appreciate your interest. I'll snap another shot or two tomorrow and post them.

Best regards,
Jeff

 

[Guest]

Took a bit longer to snap a photo than I though - too much on the schedule, I guess.

Here is the close-up of the bayonet in question. The first "." is indistinct - probably somewhat off the edge when stamped, but the second one is clearly there.
http://www.museumresources.com/research/weimar/98_05-5.jpg

At the risk of being greedy, I will post a few more for your thoughts.

6)S.Op.II.280.3281
http://www.museumresources.com/research/weimar/98_05-6.jpg

7)P.D.M.2555
http://www.museumresources.com/research/weimar/98_05-7.jpg

#7 is a 'sidearm only' Police bayonet - has a nice 'demilitarized' pommel with the press stud removed, mortise filled, then all is ground flat to appear as one piece of solid metal. No V-notch, however.

8) S.Ar.II.292
http://www.museumresources.com/research/weimar/98_05-8.jpg

9) P.B.412 - marked only on the scabbard.

Well, that's the end of the bunch. I really appreciate the assistance! I don't know what it would be, but I hope that there is some burning question that I can answer for you in return for your consideration here.

Best regards,
Jeff Shrader

 

[Edward Tinker]

Hey these are great. Have no clue, as I haven't studied this aspect of the collecting field, but coool.

Jeff is it possible to store pictures here on this forum, in that way, the pictures stay as long as the thread stays? If too difficult, I'd rather you post than give up and not post!

Ed

 

[donmaus]

Jeff,

I'm the one who's greedy. These are great additions to my Weimar police marks database. Thanks very much.

 

[Guest]

Thanks for the kind words. I'll see what I can do to get these inserted into the post.

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There we go! I posted links at first to save the forum some server space, but it is always nicer to see an image right in the post.

 

[Jan C Still]

Jeff
Markings definitions follow.
Jan
6)S.Op.II.280.3281
Schutzpolizei Oppeln District, Precinct II, weapon number 280. (Noll, page 103)
7)P.D.M.2555
Polizei Direktion Munchen (Munich Police Directorate) weapon number 2555.(Axis Pistols, page 203)
8) S.Ar.II.292
Schutzpolizei Arnsberg District, Precinct II, weapon number 292.(Noll, page 93)
9) P.B.412 - marked only on the scabbard.
Police School Berlin, weapon number 412. (Noll, page 93)

 

[Guest]

Thanks Jan - I appreciate your help! Looks like I need to pick up a few Luger books - it would really help with this kind of thing. We have never messed with post-1898 guns, but I have acquired a few lately that should be sold, so I will have to break down and get the license. I hate to do it - I never have been very enthusiastic about extra paperwork, but business is business.

If there is any way that I can be of similar assistance to you, please do not hesitate to call on me.

Jeff

 

[donmaus]

Jeff,

These are very valuable additions to my database on Weimar police unit marks. Thank you very much for your contributions.

At the risk of differing with an expert of Jan's calibre, I think the P.B. mark could be for the police school at Bonn, that was founded in 1926. It all depends on the date when the mark was made. Is there any evidence that would help establish that?

I am publishing an article in the February issue of AUTO MAG that combines recent documentary research by Joe Wotka and the evidence from my database to create a more detailed history of these Prussian police schools in the period 1922 - 32 and their marking practices.