[Guest]

Hello to all!
I've recently bought a beautifull Luger holster.

It's marked WwSu 1940, p08 , and with a eagle.
Below that eagle he's marked with Su 19.

Where does SU stand for, and when was Su used, instead of WaA?

Who can help me?

greetings from Holland,
Frank!

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[Edward Tinker]

HALLO Frank! I love Holland, as I lived there for 7 years!

I ahve no idea, but welcome to the forum, and I am sure folks will be back with you. I know that SU (by itself) was used on gun markings, as one of mine has that marking!
Can we have full front and back pictures of the holster and any other guns you have (in seperate threads )

Ed

 

[Ron Smith]

Hello Frank,


On page 130 of Costanzo's world of Lugers. Identifies this as a Simson/Ulbricht contract #19 proof for police holsters. Although it shows it in conjunction with the earlier down wing eagle. "Extremely Rare" as per Costanzo.

Ron

 

[Guest]

Hello!

I bought him along with a ppk holster and a officers belt. they're all in a very nice condition. They weren't used very long. The owner died ar march 1942.

Greetings,
Frank

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[Guest]

Hello!
Funny to hear Ed, that you also lived in holland.

Ron:
Thanks for the great information.

They mean probably , that the police marked ones are rare, not the Heer eagle ones. How is it possible, that this is a eagle marked one? Can you tell by the way what Su mean? (Like WaA means: WaffenAmbt)

Thanks for your help!
Frank

 

[huggiebear]

Enough of Sam Costanzo and his "out of the sky " book ! Su is the depot rework stamp for Spandau Depot[ SU ] . Your holster was not repaired there in this case but was Made there instead with its own leather shop or sadderly shop as the Germans called it. It was approved or accepted into services with the use of the Spandau inspector SU 19 rather than a waffenamt stamp.

 

[Guest_V]

"Waffen Amt" (no p & no b). Does SU really denote Spandau (what´s the U stand for?). SU is generally used to denote Finland (Suomi)

 

[Guest]

Hello,
There's ofcourse also the normal marking.

Does WwSu not mean that he was made in:

Waffenwerkestadt Spandau

He was then accepted by Spandau inspector SU 19 .

Is that correct?

Frank!

 

[Ron Smith]

Hi John, I do not profess to be an expert by any means, but the Spandau facility ceased to exist in 1918. How is it that they were making holsters in 1940? Is there documentation in some other referrence?

Ron

 

[Guest]

Hello,
There are more sites that confirm that it are Spandau holsters.
For example:
-(number 45 on this site)
http://www.simpsonltd.com/LugerRoom/AccessoriesandotherAssortedItems/accessories.htm

Others say it's the Westfalische Waffenfabrik
- Here you see not Su 19, but WaA 19
WaA19 WwSu Westfalische Waf-fenfabrik Shul Ulm 1940
http://216.109.117.135/search/cache....html&w=wwsu+1940&d=8D984736E3&icp=1&.intl=us

Who knows it for sure??

Greetings,
Frank

 

[Ron Smith]

Well! How ignorant and backwoods of me to ask such a stupid question.