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1914 Commercial-1921 Weimar Police Rebuild? What is it?

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Hey all, got this Luger in and boy am I confused. From what I've found and been helped with so far, this was originally a 1914 commercial (factory stock lug, hold open, lack of proofs on right receiver). It features a lazy C/N on the left side above the 83XXX SN. Now it gets weird. The chamber has a 1921 date on it, yet it appears to be roll marked and not hand stamped. Additionally, the barrel and frame have an a-suffix after the SN. It is also police marked with sear-safety. I also note the toggle pin has 4 digits versus the usual 2. The matching mag has the full SN too. Is this a police rebuild of a 1914 commercial? Why does a fairly late gun have a lazy C/N? Why does it have a roll marked chamber date? Any help is much appreciated!
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#2 ·
Fascinating that yours here is 4000 SN block later than the OP, but comes without a stock lug to it in the 1908 style instead of the 1914 style with a lug. I owned a commercial exported to the US 80395 that was 1914 commercial style frame but the slightly under 4” barrel in .30 cal.


I can't answer all of your questions, but I believe that these examples represent the police Armories assembling and refurbishing P.08 pistols to supply the Post WW I Police Departments. Pictured below is a similar example of a 1908 Commercial C/N prewar pistol chamber dated 1921 with the sear safety and property marked to the Berlin Police.
I've seen the toggle pins marked with two ,three and four digits. Also, with two on each end.

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#4 ·
Very interesting! Doubly so in that this variation seems almost exclusive to the OPM. Much appreciated!