Gentlemen: Will a M30 stock fit a Wartime Mauser C96?
Mauser C96 Wartime vs. M30 Stocks
Rawhide45
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OK. Collectors usually don't say much on reblued guns except shooting. But I will make an exception here -- it took you effort to upload these pictures. Thanks.
First, why is the sample you post being a 1940 German Luftwaffe pistol?? I did not see any hint.
Second, let's go Wiki, I am not familiar with what they wrote. So, I did a search and I saw three places when I searched "1940":
(a) "Besides the standard 7.63×25 mm chambering, C96 pistols were also commonly chambered for 9×19mm Parabellum with a small number also being produced in 9 mm Mauser Export. In 1940, Mauser officials proposed using the C-96 as the vehicle for an upgrade to the 9×25mm Mauser Export cartridge to match the ballistics of the .357 Magnum. [SUP][14][/SUP] Lastly, there was a Chinese-manufactured model chambered for .45 ACP.[SUP][5][/SUP] Despite the pistol's worldwide popularity and fame, China was the only nation to use the C96 as the primary service pistol of its military and police."
Looks this paragraph being irrelevant. Every American composer love this ".45 ACP" idea, but the darn thing was almost unknown in China. It matches American's imagination though, so it's amplified. None of those mentioned models being relevant. Mauser proposed? Assume that's true, but most likely the proposal did not go though, due to we did not see believable samples.
(b) "The German government purchased 7,800 commercial M30 pistols in 1940 for use by the Luftwaffe. They have Wehrmachtproof marks and the Mauser serial numbers come from the early- to mid-1930s. The weapon had ceased production in 1937 but the order was filled from remaining stocks."
It's Schnellfeuer. Not M30. Put that aside, your sample is not a Schnell, nor a M30.
(c) "The Spanish gunmaker Astra-Unceta y Cia began producing a copy of the Mauser C.96 in 1927 that was externally similar to the C96 (including the presence of a detachable shoulder stock/holster) but with non-interlocking internal parts. It was produced until 1941, with a production hiatus in 1937 and 1938, and a final batch assembled from spare parts in 1951.[SUP][6][/SUP] The Spanish copies of the C96 were generally intended for export to China,[SUP][6][/SUP] but after the commencement of the Sino-Japanese war (which blocked supply of guns to Chinese forces) the remaining Astra 900s were used in the Spanish Civil War, and numbers were also sold to Germany in the period 1940–1943.[SUP][6
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That's about correct. German bought 1000+ Astra 900 and 2000+ Astra 903. But that's not your sample either.
First, why is the sample you post being a 1940 German Luftwaffe pistol?? I did not see any hint.
Second, let's go Wiki, I am not familiar with what they wrote. So, I did a search and I saw three places when I searched "1940":
(a) "Besides the standard 7.63×25 mm chambering, C96 pistols were also commonly chambered for 9×19mm Parabellum with a small number also being produced in 9 mm Mauser Export. In 1940, Mauser officials proposed using the C-96 as the vehicle for an upgrade to the 9×25mm Mauser Export cartridge to match the ballistics of the .357 Magnum. [SUP][14][/SUP] Lastly, there was a Chinese-manufactured model chambered for .45 ACP.[SUP][5][/SUP] Despite the pistol's worldwide popularity and fame, China was the only nation to use the C96 as the primary service pistol of its military and police."
Looks this paragraph being irrelevant. Every American composer love this ".45 ACP" idea, but the darn thing was almost unknown in China. It matches American's imagination though, so it's amplified. None of those mentioned models being relevant. Mauser proposed? Assume that's true, but most likely the proposal did not go though, due to we did not see believable samples.
(b) "The German government purchased 7,800 commercial M30 pistols in 1940 for use by the Luftwaffe. They have Wehrmachtproof marks and the Mauser serial numbers come from the early- to mid-1930s. The weapon had ceased production in 1937 but the order was filled from remaining stocks."
It's Schnellfeuer. Not M30. Put that aside, your sample is not a Schnell, nor a M30.
(c) "The Spanish gunmaker Astra-Unceta y Cia began producing a copy of the Mauser C.96 in 1927 that was externally similar to the C96 (including the presence of a detachable shoulder stock/holster) but with non-interlocking internal parts. It was produced until 1941, with a production hiatus in 1937 and 1938, and a final batch assembled from spare parts in 1951.[SUP][6][/SUP] The Spanish copies of the C96 were generally intended for export to China,[SUP][6][/SUP] but after the commencement of the Sino-Japanese war (which blocked supply of guns to Chinese forces) the remaining Astra 900s were used in the Spanish Civil War, and numbers were also sold to Germany in the period 1940–1943.[SUP][6
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That's about correct. German bought 1000+ Astra 900 and 2000+ Astra 903. But that's not your sample either.
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For my part, I do not like what i see so far: it looks like a 1915-produced PWC. However it has red 9 grips and a 500-m sight which is not consistent with the gun. If it was a period re-work for 9mm Para (some examples are known), the safety would have been modified to NS as well. Also, it lacks the period proof marks - the early pistols bearing Wermacht proofs have them over the earier "U-Crown".
So it looks more like a modern restauration made to look like smth it is not - the main question is whether it it is safe to shoot - was it re-bored and if so, was it done properly.
So it looks more like a modern restauration made to look like smth it is not - the main question is whether it it is safe to shoot - was it re-bored and if so, was it done properly.
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As a general rule, next time if someone want to sell you a C96 as a collector, and you noticed it's not original, tell him/her about that. Those guns should be sold at much lower price. If you're not sure about its condition, post it here and ask. Free service.
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All, I generally agree with Mason, and others...There's no PROOF in the Wikipedia that the "Red 9" was ordered by anybody...And, there are fotos out there of Waffen SS with the M712/Schnellfeuer..in 7,63 Mauser, probably..AND, Mauser did make a few M1930s in 9m/mPara..But, I've yet to see documents relating to a special order..And, why order a "Red 9" anyway ?? According to the book "Mauser Archives", at the end of WW1 there were over 3500 "Red 9"s still in the factory....Maybe....but, again, to order that piece at that time just doesn't seem logical....Sure, there was a war on...anything is possible...Proof would be nice...
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