[stiknruddr]

Ink is correct according to experts..paper correct what?

 

[johnboy]

It's all good then, still doesn't answer any of my questions.

If you look at legacy's stock numbers on these guns 23 & 14 are consecutive, and nsn and 11 are consecutive, so these guns were entered two at a time or one after another. What are the odds?

 

[stiknruddr]

Have no idea what to say #23 has solid papers beyond that bring your opinion.

 

[mhassoun]

If Gibson's statement is accurate (see below), then most of the internally numbered (SN 1–17) postwar assembled Krieghoff Lugers in the U.S. likely had their serial numbers added to the front of the frame sometime after 1980. SN 7 (part of a collection in Germany) is an exception.

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Given the subpar finish of the internally numbered guns and their use of poor donor barrels—such as SN 7, which lacks a rear sight—it seems illogical that they were intended as gifts for Military Government personnel!

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Also worth noting is that Gibson refers to externally numbered SN 18 as having the late-type HK-marked toggle. However, the gun (SN 18) listed by Simpson Ltd has a blank toggle.

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[johnboy]

Blank toggle vs. HK toggle seems like something pretty big to miss or be wrong about both. Unless it was there before the gun went through changes.

Also, If those guns got numbered after coming to the US there should be halos on the frame serials on all of them. There is none I can find looking at the collection of them on Legacy.

And, The guns (1-18) are then NOT PX guns by virtue of Gibson's definition or description (however you want to say it) but should be considered a separate variant that pre-dates actual PX guns.

I just have more questions that circle back to similar conclusions about these, who had them (or made them) and how such a large number or them landed in one spot.

And of course, If their origin is as Gibson said, Why then are they so cheap? And why hasn't Mohammad bought all the ones currently available at Legacy and Simpson's?

 

[mhassoun]

Blank toggle vs. HK toggle seems like something pretty big to miss or be wrong about both. Unless it was there before the gun went through changes.

Also, If those guns got numbered after coming to the US there should be halos on the frame serials on all of them. There is none I can find looking at the collection of them on Legacy.

And, The guns (1-18) are then NOT PX guns by virtue of Gibson's definition or description (however you want to say it) but should be considered a separate variant that pre-dates actual PX guns.

I just have more questions that circle back to similar conclusions about these, who had them (or made them) and how such a large number or them landed in one spot.

And of course, If their origin is as Gibson said, Why then are they so cheap? And why hasn't Mohammad bought all the ones currently available at Legacy and Simpson's?

I reached my limit with two!😂
But seriously, the closer they are in finish and characteristics to the war HKs the more appealing (to me) they are.

 

[johnboy]

I reached my limit with two!😂
But seriously, the closer they are in finish and characteristics to the war HKs the more appealing (to me) they are.

Lugers are like bacon sandwiches, you can never have too many.

 

[Parabellum]

Just to add to the list, I have owned two postwar Krieghoff Lugers for about 40 years: One is "oversize" SN 99 with both matching magazines and the other is an unnumbered 4-inch barrel parts gun, mostly in the white, but with a Krieghoff toggle and characteristic Krieghoff machining.

 

[mhassoun]

I will add SN 99 to the list. Thanks!